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MatrixSkye Mk2
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:42:00 -
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Unfortunately, there will never be a shortage of people like the individuals behind the avatars of Erotica 1 and The Mittani. Individuals that take joy in griefing and bullying for their own amusement. They will take it as far as they can to drive someone to the boiling point and rage. If they can get someone to quit or worse, harm themselves or others in real life, the merrier the "lulz" are. They take ZERO responsibility for their actions, instead laying all responsibility squarely on their victims. So they lose no sleep over it. I hardly doubt you can change these individuals.
However, I am pleasantly surprised to see CCP make this statement against this kind of behavior. Eve is a beautiful game that I play in spite of this. Mostly because I understand how difficult it must be to give this community the freedom to role-play even as a villain, while dealing with individuals with ulterior motives consistently looking for ways to use the game as a tool to inflict real-life grief. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:18:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Let me quote you again for clarity: Darkopus wrote:so please explain to me what asking someone to smear mayon on their body has to do with internet spaceships, also what has telling your victim to give his wife a paperbag to breathe into to calm her down got to do with internet spaceships So yes, what does that have to do with internet spaceships? It doesn't have anything at all to do with internet spaceships, so CCP has absolutely no reason to step into it, since it has nothing to do with them. In the exact same way that personal attacks on twitter have nothing to do with them.
Except you omit that the person behind Erotica 1's avatar is using the game as a tool to reel his victims out of game. And that makes it CCP's business, whether you like it or not. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.29 18:48:00 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Lucas Kell wrote:Let me quote you again for clarity: Darkopus wrote:so please explain to me what asking someone to smear mayon on their body has to do with internet spaceships, also what has telling your victim to give his wife a paperbag to breathe into to calm her down got to do with internet spaceships So yes, what does that have to do with internet spaceships? It doesn't have anything at all to do with internet spaceships, so CCP has absolutely no reason to step into it, since it has nothing to do with them. In the exact same way that personal attacks on twitter have nothing to do with them. Except you omit that the person behind Erotica 1's avatar is using the game as a tool to reel his victims out of game. And that makes it CCP's business, whether you like it or not. OK, so why are people who take an in game disagreement to an out of game forums and harass the other player not banned? I'm really not omitting anything here mate, the point is it's inconsistent. They can't claim to not deal with third party comms, telling some victims to effectively go **** themselves, then stand by others saying "yeah, that guys was mean". Either third party comms are covered by the EULA or they aren't. Which is it?
There is a difference between using the game as a tool to inflict real life malice, grief and humiliation versus someone ranting on twitter or quibbling with another player. And most people can differentiate between these. Most of it falls within common sense. In this case, malice is clear. These individuals went as far as to ridicule the victim's wife. They stepped well beyond the line between in-game and real life.
This is why there aren't "clear" rules to sort these issues out. They need to be reviewed on a case by case basis by CCP. So where do you draw the line? Use common sense and you'll steer clear from situations like this. But I realize there are those that, not only lack common sense, but have a need to push the lever as far as they can. In that case you can't get mad when CCP has to step in and bring you back across the line again. In other words, don't get mad because you can't see where you're well past the line. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.29 19:18:00 -
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Sentamon wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
There is a difference between using the game as a tool to inflict real life malice, grief and humiliation versus someone ranting on twitter or quibbling with another player.
You'll have a hard time making your case for "malice, grief, and humiliation" when not even the "victim" involved feels this way. You could make a case that CCP no longer wants bonus rooms and people being mean toward each other ... well, "just because" CCP wants it that way ... but it seems the opposite is true.
Intent does not depend on how the message or signal was received. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.29 21:10:00 -
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Liese Shardani wrote:Lucas Kell wrote: It's pretty easy to state that under no circumstance would I turn to racial abuse since I'm not in any way a racist. When you are pushed you tend to strike out more instinctively and say things before your mind has filtered them. Racist remarks are not filtered out during my every day speech, they are simply not generated to begin with, so while I may use a vast array of selected profanities when pushed beyond a limit, there is no situation ever in which I would hurl racist abuse voluntarily, regardless of my level of stress.
I certainly wouldn't use them in the way they were used on the recording. Have you actually listened to it? They are not just the odd word thrown out in a moment of anger, they are calculated racist attacks.
Yes, I've listened to several of the audios. Sohkar's invective was racist, yes, but the real motivator sounded to me like utter desperation. He was completely out of rope, and that's all he had. He had lost lost lost and LOST to those guys for TWO HOURS, and nothing he tried had worked. I doubt I'd ever say anything racist, since that's not how I roll, but I do entertain the possibility that a situation so eff-ed up could come along that I'd be desperate and freaked out enough to say some stuff I'd NEVER imagine coming out of my mouth.
I'll add that this is exactly the reaction these individuals are hoping to provoke out of their victims. It's extra gravy when they can get the victim to rage-quit or banned for raging. They want to inflict as much real life damage as possible under the pretense that "it's just pixels", and then turn around and claim that they are the ones that are well-adjusted in real life. I think Erotica 1 claimed at some point he's a good "Catholic" who helps the needy in real life, implying he isn't capable of such malice in the real world. He's either incapable of differentiating between in-game and real life or is using deception to excuse his twisted behavior. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.31 17:06:00 -
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Ssabat Thraxx wrote:Danalee wrote:Ok, tell that to all the new guys joining and being told: BE THE VILLAIN. The don't know who got banned when for what. A warning is commone sense. D.  Quoted for truth! +1
Exactly! CCP needs to be clear. Their message should read something like this:
BE THE VILLAIN... IN GAME... NOT IN REAL LIFE. REFRAIN FROM MAKING PEOPLE SPREAD MAYO IN THEIR BODIES OUT OF GAME UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT IT'S STILL IN GAME. REFRAIN FROM REELING PEOPLE OUT OF THE GAME TO GRIEF THEM AND THEIR FAMILY OUT OF GAME.
I mean, come on, how are we supposed to know this stuff is crossing the line unless it's clearly stated in CCP's statements? Its almost as if CCP expects us to have some sort of common sense. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.03.31 23:43:00 -
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Danalee wrote:You sure have a weird mayo fetish, I'd have that checked if I was you 
I'm glad you realize that it is a weird mayo fetish. Now you just need to direct this to Erotica 1, as he's the one that has made his victims smother themselves in mayo for his own viewing pleasure. Or did you not know this  ?
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.04.10 15:25:00 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Subjecting yourself to harassment and willingly remaining makes it an S&M session and no longer harassment.
I don't think this is true. What matters most here is intent.
What is Erotica 1's intent? That one victim doesn't consider his behavior sadistic does not lessen the intent of the aggressor. As an example, a murderer kills 10 people in exactly the same way. One victim was already suicidal and didn't mind being killed. Does this mean the killer only committed 9 murders?
Also, this wasn't the first time that he had done this. And if I was a betting man I'd bet he had been warned before about crossing the line. I found out about this last incident through Ripard Teg. So as much as a few of you have been hating on him, I'm actually impressed he had the balls to stand up and expose this to light. Mind you, I had no idea who he was before this.
DISCLAIMER FOR THE TARDS: No, I am not in ANY WAY insinuating Erotica 1 is a murderer. I will ignore any post accusing me of such claims. |
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